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They can't really enforce it apart from asking you to leave, though...
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Two large guys coming up to me was pretty intimidating.

I was very open about taking photos, bracketing exposures and framing to get the perfect night-time shot; I really wasn't aware of any rules preventing me from photographing. Sure I told them to FO, and even if I'd deleted shots, we all have programs to retrieve deleted / corrupted data from digital media, 100% successful if you've not overwritten the files.

In living memory the ground the Oracle stands on was a mix of public streets, public spaces, and private enterprises on a derelict brewery site, it beggars belief that this public land can be sold to an enterprise which polices the land with heavy security guards.

Guess these are the guards, same heavies, who keep the Oracle sanitised from the homeless and beggars ?
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Brewdog is to open in Reading, in the current Public bar (the former Applejacks, Litten Tree, Dogma, Rynd!)

Regarding Clinton's and the space in the Oracle, Clinton's still has a shop on Broad St, and the development within the Oracle is presumably linked to this:
http://tvproperty.co.uk/news/new-stores ... the-oracle
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Laura_Eva wrote: 13 Dec 2017 21:05 Two large guys coming up to me was pretty intimidating.

I was very open about taking photos, bracketing exposures and framing to get the perfect night-time shot; I really wasn't aware of any rules preventing me from photographing. Sure I told them to FO, and even if I'd deleted shots, we all have programs to retrieve deleted / corrupted data from digital media, 100% successful if you've not overwritten the files.

In living memory the ground the Oracle stands on was a mix of public streets, public spaces, and private enterprises on a derelict brewery site, it beggars belief that this public land can be sold to an enterprise which polices the land with heavy security guards.

Guess these are the guards, same heavies, who keep the Oracle sanitised from the homeless and beggars ?

So did these guys threaten you, verbally or physically? If they did, did you report them to the Police? You say "I wasn't REALLY aware of any rules" does that mean you were but chose to ignore them, or that you weren't aware of them at all? If these chaps were large and you felt intimidated, why tell them to FO. I would presume that would only antagonise them, and weakens any case you may have to feel aggrieved as, far as I can see, you didn't feel intimidated enough to not tell them to FO.

The crux of the matter is, is that some if it WAS public land and is NOW privately owned. As such it is afforded certain protections. Land is bought and sold every day, both public and private, that's how life is.

It's a cheap shot and a completely unsupported accusation, to infer that the 'heavies' (that you told to FO) have anything to do with any 'sanitising' of the Oracle from the homeless and beggars. I would suggest that area is the responsibility of the Oracle Management.
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Laura_Eva wrote: 13 Dec 2017 21:05it beggars belief that this public land can be sold to an enterprise which polices the land with heavy security guards.
No it doesn't - I can think of a number of sports stadia and entertainment facilities which have been built in part on former public land and employ security guards. You could also say the same about Terminals 4 and 5 at Heathrow, and no doubt other places too.

Surprised you're bemoaning the loss of Clintons too - every branch I've ever seen has been predominantly patronised by what people more judgmental than I might sniffily describe as "bargain basement chavs"...
(I find Scribbler in the Oracle to be a far better card shop, but that's just my taste).
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Voice of Treason ...

I've lived just of the Oxford Road for 35 years, three different properties.

I understand that the variety of fresh / exotic veg I can buy off the Oxford Road is thanks to Pakistani and Turkish immigrants, happened over last ten / fifteen years.

I have a Sweeney Todd pie in the oven as I type (its steak, bacon, stilton, beer; a new pie), I have turkey and bacon, a dry pie, saved for my trip up to so called "poverty land" for Christmas.

These single person pies now cost a few pence short of £4:00, they were 75p in the very early 80s (60% higher than RPI inflation).

Stockton-on-Tees markets sell savoury family pies for £2:50, meats and veg at half the price of Reading retailers ... Stockton still has proper town centre butchers (who will cut and chop meat as you want), cafes which will do you a huge bacon bap fof £1:50, and coffee out of a proper espresso machine for same price.

Closest you get to this is the Halal butchers on the Oxford Road, where you can buy chicken gizzard and heart by the kilo, and you'll even find tripe ...

My point is that the town centre with crazy high rents caters for the millennial generation who will pay £12 for a fillet steak shrink wrapped in M&S.

Primark with its tat exploitative rags is a horror showing up in centre of town, give me C&A, BHS, Littlewoods anyday for cheap clothing with a modicum of conscience.

Reading becomes a town where the only retailers who survive in the centre are those making a gross profit enough to pay the exorbitant rents and inflated business rates.
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Pooneil,

Scribbler cards are really not what non-English speaking / culture / middle-aged relatives would understand.

And they begin at £3-4 a card !
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Pooneil,

Nah, demographic at Clintons was always like you or I, middle class, happy to pay £5 for a special card, bit more for a card for my mum, £10 for a box of 10 Xmas cards.

Card Factory now prominent on Broad Street is where "chavs" buy cards for a few pence, cards I'd be embarrassed to send to anyone.

I do largely buy charity supporting cards, but I have a demographic of elderly foreign family which appreciates a fancier card, which is where Clintons exceled.
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Laura_Eva wrote: 14 Dec 2017 00:18 Pooneil,

Nah, demographic at Clintons was always like you or I, middle class, happy to pay £5 for a special card, bit more for a card for my mum, £10 for a box of 10 Xmas cards.

Card Factory now prominent on Broad Street is where "chavs" buy cards for a few pence, cards I'd be embarrassed to send to anyone.

I do largely buy charity supporting cards, but I have a demographic of elderly foreign family which appreciates a fancier card, which is where Clintons exceled.
Paper Chase in the Oracle is Good. NIce selection of 'fancy cards'. There's 2 'chav-free' shops - One on the balcony opposite Apple and the other on the 1st floor of House of Fraser.
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Laura_Eva wrote: 13 Dec 2017 23:48 Voice of Treason ...

I've lived just of the Oxford Road for 35 years, three different properties.

I understand that the variety of fresh / exotic veg I can buy off the Oxford Road is thanks to Pakistani and Turkish immigrants, happened over last ten / fifteen years.

I have a Sweeney Todd pie in the oven as I type (its steak, bacon, stilton, beer; a new pie), I have turkey and bacon, a dry pie, saved for my trip up to so called "poverty land" for Christmas.

These single person pies now cost a few pence short of £4:00, they were 75p in the very early 80s (60% higher than RPI inflation).

Stockton-on-Tees markets sell savoury family pies for £2:50, meats and veg at half the price of Reading retailers ... Stockton still has proper town centre butchers (who will cut and chop meat as you want), cafes which will do you a huge bacon bap fof £1:50, and coffee out of a proper espresso machine for same price.

Closest you get to this is the Halal butchers on the Oxford Road, where you can buy chicken gizzard and heart by the kilo, and you'll even find tripe ...

My point is that the town centre with crazy high rents caters for the millennial generation who will pay £12 for a fillet steak shrink wrapped in M&S.

Primark with its tat exploitative rags is a horror showing up in centre of town, give me C&A, BHS, Littlewoods anyday for cheap clothing with a modicum of conscience.

Reading becomes a town where the only retailers who survive in the centre are those making a gross profit enough to pay the exorbitant rents and inflated business rates.
Sounds like any other larger successful town or city I've visited!
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Laura_Eva wrote: 13 Dec 2017 21:05 .............
In living memory the ground the Oracle stands on was a mix of public streets, public spaces, and private enterprises on a derelict brewery site, it beggars belief that this public land can be sold to an enterprise which polices the land with heavy security guards...............

That got me thinking - in my living memory its never been ''a mix of public streets, public spaces,'' - its all been privately owned?
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Lol. Competitive much. I have lived in Reading all my life. At age 10, I met the Bangladeshi family that ran the local fruit and veg shop off Grovelands Road. The first 'foreign' shops were starting then, many of which were from Bangladesh and Uganda after Amin kicked them out, and slightly earlier, the Polish community. Indeed, my best friend at Peimary school was Polish and her parents shopped at a store somewhere off Basingstoke Road (do forgive me if I can quote you chapter and verse of where it was, it was some considerable time ago) for,their favourite foods so no, you are not correct in saying it's the last 10/15 years.

It's not very nice to judge people as chavs as they can't afford s lot of money to send cards, especially,when you place yourself as middle class above them - I'm trying not to laugh at that, btw. We were Sweenys first customers many years ago, and price rises happen. If you don't like it, don't pay it.

Halal meat it butchered in a way that makes the animal suffer and I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole. You want to eat tripe, then knock yourself out, its vile muck that takes like rubber bands and used to be fed to my aunts breeding dogs when I was a kid as it was cheap and you could buy it in whole stomachs in a Thame butchers.

Primark is part of Allied British Foods and is no better or no worse that most retailers. And at least is either still in Business or has a high street presence unlike those you mention.

I'm surprised you don't demand your own shop so,you can avoid the chavs. Must be a real culture shock coming darn sarf - clearly Stockton on tees is an oasis of middle class loveliness,with cheap pies, beautiful foreigner friendly cards made especially for the elderly (ever thought of making your own? No, thought not) where beggars and homeless people are welcomed with open arms and perfumed gently by low-rent paying shopkeepers.

Good grief.

Now, in other news - anyone know of new shops coming to Reading? Us chavs are desperate to buy more tat.
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Most supermarkets stock a good selection of greeting cards. I buy all mine at Tesco. Usually there is no need to go to a specialised shop unless you're really after some special cards.
Halal meat it butchered in a way that makes the animal suffer
I would that the method is basically the 'standard' method has used here for centuries, and anyway I'm not sure a British slaughterhouse in 2017 is a pleasant experience for animals...

No-one knows, or cares to be honest, how the meat they buy in supermarkets was 'created'. The focus on halal meat comes from PR campaigns which have perhaps more in mind than animal welfare.
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HAtchet - modern abattoirs are required to stun animals, immediately prior to the kill (https://www.gov.uk/guidance/red-meat-sl ... nd-killing) and the animal must remain unconscious until it is killed, unless it is for religious reasons.

Other methods may have been 'usual' in the past but in these more enlightened times, it is not now. Don't know what you mean about PR campaigns as the process used to kill animals for halal meat also provides kosher meat - both of which, imho, are cruel ways to do it as they are not 'immediate' kills - so it's not a one dimensional issue. Having been in slaughter houses, they are not as you say pleasant for the animals however the regulations strive to make it as quick and painless as possible, such that the animal has a very short time between unloading and processing. Stunning is far more acceptable to me, than cutting the animals' throat which then slowly bleeds to death.

I think there has been a growing interest in the provenance of all consumer goods, food included, and animal welfare is part and parcel of that.
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What are the unemployment figures or even average salary stats for Stocton on Tees Laura_Eve ?

PS My very wealthy friends children often have things from Primark, many people with real money and class know what value for money is, and that's often not buying overpriced bits from Boden.
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Mayfield wrote: 14 Dec 2017 09:08 What are the unemployment figures or even average salary stats for Stocton on Tees Laura_Eve ?
It's not easy to compare because of Reading's strange boundaries, but roughly:
  • Incomes in Stockton are about 15-20% lower than Reading (not as different as I expected).
  • Population growth rates are similar, but property prices (about 1/3 of Reading prices) make clear that there is latent demand in Reading but not in Stockton.
  • Unemployment in Reading is 1.6% and in Stockton is 4.2%.
  • Reading is 80% white people, Stockton is 95% white (overall immigration rates today are similar, but while 15% of Reading's population were born outside the EU that figure is 3.5% in Stockton).
  • The average person in Stockton is older than in Reading (There are similar numbers of children in both places, but in Reading 40% of the population is aged 20-44, whereas in Stockton that figure is 32%. Conversely, Stcokton has a lot more over 60s even though life expectancy is a couple of years less).
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Mayfield wrote: 14 Dec 2017 09:08 What are the unemployment figures or even average salary stats for Stocton on Tees Laura_Eve ?

PS My very wealthy friends children often have things from Primark, many people with real money and class know what value for money is, and that's often not buying overpriced bits from Boden.
I agree...my parents have some very rich friends. They know the value of money better than anyone, the lady of the house buys pretty much all of her clothes in TK Maxx - one thing that the money gives them is the freedom of time for her to spend the hours going through the rails in that shop.

We buy cards in Card Factory and Supermarket's generally. Card Factory are perfect for the Children's Friends at parties. I resent spending £3.50 on a card and would much prefer to buy something that is almost as good in Card Factory for 50p and add the other £3 to the present.

I'm amazed by some of the comments on this thread.
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Voiceoftreason? wrote: 14 Dec 2017 09:02 Stunning is far more acceptable to me, than cutting the animals' throat which then slowly bleeds to death.
The UK Food Standards Agency figures from 2011 suggest that 84% of cattle, 81% of sheep and 88% of chickens slaughtered for halal meat were stunned before they died. Supermarkets selling halal products also report that all animals are stunned before they are slaughtered.
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Thanks Poo. interesting. Still feel more comfortable with the static bolt methid rather than throat cutting. Don't ask me to articulate particularly why, it's nothing to do with any religious connotation before anyone starts, Its that I can't tolerate the idea of an animal bleeding to death albeit whilst apparently stunned, and believe a bolt to the brain is more humane. I saw it in action as a kid, and it really is instantaneous from what I've seen.
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I really enjoy being part of this forum and I'm sure I would enjoy meeting any of the contributors with the exception of the arrogant person who has labelled me a CHAV, because I shop in Primark and Card Factory. ( O.E.D.) defines chav as "young, lower class person typified by brash and loutish behaviour and the wearing of (real or imitation ) designer clothes " I'm not aware that I fall into any of those categories, however, someone who can tell a person doing their duty, to F.O. and who only shops in upmarket shops, seems to fit the criteria of a chav very well.As an 84 year old woman living on a very tiny pension, I find both these stores, excellent value and I'm not ashamed to admit it. I just hope I never meet her as I wouldn't be able to match her in the foul language department, and, in fact, wouldn't want to try.
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maggieaitch wrote: 14 Dec 2017 12:36 Whatevs, I ain't no chav
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:roflol3:
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cnb wrote: 14 Dec 2017 10:27
Mayfield wrote: 14 Dec 2017 09:08 What are the unemployment figures or even average salary stats for Stocton on Tees Laura_Eve ?
It's not easy to compare because of Reading's strange boundaries, but roughly:
  • Incomes in Stockton are about 15-20% lower than Reading (not as different as I expected).
  • Population growth rates are similar, but property prices (about 1/3 of Reading prices) make clear that there is latent demand in Reading but not in Stockton.
  • Unemployment in Reading is 1.6% and in Stockton is 4.2%.
  • Reading is 80% white people, Stockton is 95% white (overall immigration rates today are similar, but while 15% of Reading's population were born outside the EU that figure is 3.5% in Stockton).
  • The average person in Stockton is older than in Reading (There are similar numbers of children in both places, but in Reading 40% of the population is aged 20-44, whereas in Stockton that figure is 32%. Conversely, Stcokton has a lot more over 60s even though life expectancy is a couple of years less).
Thank you for a well researched response ...

Wage inequality and opportunity in Reading is wider than Teesside (I retired on a not very special £60k salary at age of 55, as I saved a lot and invested in property. ) many people in Reading get just minimum wage.

Even finding a job in Teesside is a challenge, with jobless numbers at many times the national rate.

The poorest in Reading struggle to live on the same income as Teessiders, and that's a hard call .

Rents are half the price in Stockton compared to Reading, property between half and a third price depending on area.

Anybody with a decent job will feel richer in Stockton where a 4 bed detached is about £250k, semi around £100k, so you can buy a new upmarket 4x4 too ...
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On behalf of Card Factory I object, we buy all our birthday and anniversary cards in there and without fail they’re beautiful designs with lovely words. Just as good as more expensive cards and we’re definitely not chavs 👸🤴 😄
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bobby1413 wrote: 13 Dec 2017 09:12
THC wrote: 13 Dec 2017 08:18 Amusing to learn that Teeside, one of the most economically depressed areas in the country, where houses cost c.£10k in parts, is a better overall shopping experience than Reading
I'm sure that's true

(it isn't)
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But it suits the agenda of some to think it is true. I swear some people love the feeling that moaning about Reading gives them. A form of self-flaggelation.
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Voiceoftreason? wrote: 13 Dec 2017 16:40 :shrug1: If it's true that you need a license, get one. Otherwise I would think the so called heavies are within their rights to act as they did, if they did.

Reading is not Stockton on Tees, Liverpool or any Uotopia. Reading is Reading. Love it or leave it.

Declining Working class demographic? Don't be daft. Reading is one of the busiest technology, insurance and telecoms areas around. Has been for years. Working class demographic may have once referred to beer, biscuits and bulbs back in the day, but not now - Reading isn't defined by working class demographics exclusively. It's a thriving, busy, quite important business hub with a wide diversity of organisations and population, which is not based on heavy manufacturing and labour. The shops and service industries reflect that pretty accurately. We have everything from House of Fraser (if that's your benchmark) to pound shops and everything in between. And I like that.

If you are referring to food, meat and groceries, then yes, communities have their 'own' shops, whatever that means, but you can bet your bottom dollar (or maybe not, you might need that for your Georgian house) that their customers are not exclusively of the same ethnic origin. People are much more diverse in their food prep, eating and tastes and therefore their food shopping habits these days.

As for greengrocers I suggest the Oxford Road and for deli type foods Sweeney Todds or even, gasp, a supermarket or Marks! If the demand isn't there, why would you have a seven day a week butchers market when there are perfectly adequate butchers and supermarkets?

Bit sick of people taking cheap shots and knocking the town.
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Trying to compare Reading to Stockton-on-Tees is like comparing apples to pears.

They have different industries, economies, land values, geography, transportation links etc.
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Comparing Reading to Stockton-on-Tees is a microcosm of everything wrong with this country.

The people in Stockton struggle to find employment to pay for the cheapest housing in the country, £60k for a starter terrace house, £120k for a nice semi.

The youth of Reading (if educated) are 100% employed with salaries Stocktonians could only dream of, yet buying a basic flat at £200k is out of reach, let alone the £400k needed for a nice semi-detached home.

Its all part of broken Britain ...
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The youth of Reading (if educated) - just what does THAT mean! Broken Britain my rear end.
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If you graduate from uni with a sensible maths, science, engineering degree (which is so easy nowadays, its like a HNC used to be) then you will be guaranteed a decent job in Reading. If the degree is from a proper red brick Uni, then oil companies start engineering graduates on £30k.

I don't know about finance and banking salaries, but guess they could be about the same for top graduate entry.

But try finding these entry level jobs outside the SE. Let alone Teesside where industry has been left to die by successive governments. Only Aberdeen recruits at sensible salary in my industry north of London, and its a volatile see-saw based on oil price.

If you fail to understand how broken our country is, with endemic poverty balancing a questionable privilege in a few centres like Reading and London where high salaries cannot mitigate crazy rents and unaffordable property prices.
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Broken Britain is a total fallacy.

One of my relatives went to Uni, one didn't. One applied for over 600 jobs without an interview, one has two jobs. Want to guess which one is a graduate?

It's very rude and patronising to compare current 'sensible' degrees with HNCs and label them easy. What have YOU done to help anyone get a job?

Maybe these amazing jobs don't exist outside the SE - is there any call for them anywhere else in the Country? Where are the employers situated - oh lemme guess, it's mainly in the SE - so move to where the employment is, if you're so desperate - nay, well qualified from a red brick with one of your easy degrees, even - I sure it will be a doddle.

Your last sentance didn't scan and looks incomplete, so I've no clue what you're trying to say there and you are way :offtopic1:

Now, anyone know of a nice new food place opening anywhere, I feel like treating myself to lunch out tomorrow.
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lizwing wrote: 14 Dec 2017 19:43 On behalf of Card Factory I object, we buy all our birthday and anniversary cards in there and without fail they’re beautiful designs with lovely words. Just as good as more expensive cards and we’re definitely not chavs 👸🤴 😄
I also buy most cards we need from Card Factory too. Not only are they very acceptable, but they’re a sensible, realistic price - well most of them are, although not all.... and those, I suspect are specifically stocked to satisfy those who feel they should pay more :wink:

The mark up on the printed card is huge. As printers we annually printed thousands for a particular customer (well known figure/artist) who’s cards were sold for Charity, mainly to large corporations as company cards and subsequently overprinted. They were printed on high quality card and scrutinised by said customer for quality of colour match to the original painting... together with an envelope the actual unit cost was very few pence.
When I also had a gallery I sold what were termed Fine Art Cards - by the time we bought them they were in the region of 50/60p each and were expected to sell them for at least double that + VAT... which we didn’t, because I regarded them as a “loss leader” and sold most of them for £1 or less. People would buy a stack of them, and also look around at the framed Art, and quite often, either then or later, came back and spent a lot more! Or told others who would do just that.

Greetings cards shops who sell little else have to make a huge mark-up in order to pay rent, rates and wages, or have a massive turn-over - that’s what you’re paying for.
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This has gone way off topic.

I still maintain that a science, maths, engineering degree from any traditional uni opens doors to a good career. However devalued the qualification is, and believe me I've encountered many clueless graduates who struggled with the basic calculus & electro-magnetic theory needed to work in our analytical office.

As a graduate I rejected job offers I thought over-responsible and too demanding of my raw experience, and settled for an R&D position in a company which would develop my skills.

If you want to do history, PPE, you really need to do it at Oxbridge, Durham, Edinburgh / St Andrews to get a good civil service job in London, few other career paths are really open.

Obviously sticking out a five year medical or veterinary course gets you a career, less so a law degree from an ex-poly.

Most other degrees seem to qualify you just for shelf stacking in Tesco.

Enough ...
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Post by Laura_Eva »

I never begrudged paying Clinton prices, £3:50 - £5:00 for an individual card, embossed and decorated with ribbons and maybe sequins ...

Much less when buying a box of 10, like 70p a card ...

Printing / embossing / decorating I guess are beyond the scope of "fine art" printers (I can turn my own seasonal photos into fine art prints, either printing myself with my photo printer (expensive at @£2:00 for quality A4) or going to an on-line service or Jessops with my original artwork.

Card Factory always used to scream "I'm sending you the cheapest card possible, manufactured in China, with minimal taste". Have things really moved on ?
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Re: New Shops Coming To The Town Centre

Post by Mayfield »

I suggest you look at the link I gave. Whistlefish do very nice cards for 80p each ( if you buy 10, and that's online and in store ) and carry several ranges by artists local to them among them. They have a decent on line presence but also have retail outlets in the West Country.
As I expect you know very well, printing 1 card can cost a great deal of money, but printing thousands of the very same card can drop the cost price to a few pence per unit. That goes for The Card Factory ( which I don't use because I don't go into town that often ) just as well.
It's not logical to think that just because they retail cheaper means it's lesser quality....

Do you think a bog standard egg from Lidl or Aldi is any less nutritious than a bog standard egg from Waitrose ? Or sugar somehow different ? Milk ? Cabbages ? For some products you pay for the surrounding hype and marketing, rather than content, if that's convenient sometimes it's worth it. It's up to the individual to make their decision without being sneered at by the champagne socialists who have nothing better to do.
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