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Looks like the plans will soon be ready...

EDIT: Nov 2016 updated plans

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Station Hill, Reading
PUBLIC EXHIBITION

Sackville Properties (Reading) Ltd invite members of the public to an exhibition of its latest proposals for a visionary mixed-use development adjacent to Reading Station. The Station Hill scheme will contribute to the regeneration of the area and provide an exciting new commercial and residential quarter for Reading.

The exhibition will be held at 40 Station Hill, Reading, at the following times:

Thursday April 30th 10.30 am - 7 pm

Friday May 1st 9.30 am - 7 pm

Saturday May 2nd 9.30 am - 1 pm

Further information will be available on this website on April 30th.
(from the station hill website: http://www.stationhillreading.co.uk

Also, from the Reading Chronicle website: http://www.readingchronicle.co.uk/news/ ... r-station/

- REVISED plans for Sir John Madejski's Station Hill scheme will be unveiled later this month.

A public exhibition will be held from April 30-May 2 where a new model will be on display. The scheme, called in by Secretary of State Hazel Blears last year, is now less dense and includes Friars Walk. The new total area is 5.1 acres but the amount of development has been reduced by 23% with 200,000 sq ft of retail space. Jon Homan, executive director of developer Sackville properties said he hopes the plans can go before the council's planning committee in the autumn ready for work to start in early 2011.
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It sounds incredibly ambitious. I hope Reading can pull it off successfully.
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Station Hill: Bigger and better plans
Reading Evening Post
By Paul Robins
April 30, 2009


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This is Sir John Madejski's new vision for the redevelopment of Station Hill.

These exclusive images are part of revised proposals to rejuvenate the shabby area around Reading station with landmark office buildings, shops and apartments centred on a public square.

Lib Dems: 'Station Hill plans threaten transport interchange'

They show how the £400 million scheme - which now incorporates the derelict neighbouring Friars Walk shopping centre - would look from viewpoints around the town.

The Royals chairman is due to unveil the new designs, drawn up by his property company Sackville Properties, at a public exhibition starting today.

The three-day event will give councillors, stakeholders and locals the chance to cast their eye over the plans for Station Hill 2 before a planning application is submitted in June.

The mixed-use project has undergone a major redesign after the original plan was called in for a public inquiry a year ago following concerns it was not in keeping with the area.

The Station Hill 2 scheme, designed by architects Scott Brownrigg and Chapman Taylor, is more than 500,000 sq ft bigger than the original and boasts a larger central piazza.

Sackville director Jon Homan said: "Station Hill 2 incorporates all the best elements of the original design - striking, tall buildings around a central public piazza - but with a larger site to work with we have been able to reduce the overall density and address some of the identified design issues.

"In a nutshell it is bigger and better."

If given the green light, Sackville hope to begin work on the redevelopment in 2011, with the first phase scheduled for completion in 2013.

The exhibition at 40 Station Hill - next to the station - is open from 10.30am to 7pm today, 9.30am to 7pm tomorrow and 9.30am to 1pm on Saturday.

Members of Sackville's development team will be on hand to answer questions and visitors will be invited to complete a questionnaire.

Those unable to attend can visit www.stationhillreading.co.uk
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BBC coverage including video interview with John Madejski:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/berk ... 026444.stm

Chronicle article:
http://www.readingchronicle.co.uk/news/ ... revealed-/

I popped into the exhibition tonight. Very impressive. The Friar's Walk plan is to have a new building covering half the width of the Friar St frontage with the remainder a new open street. Soon the site widens out (presumably where the old C&A was) and then you get buildings both sides of the new open street and the pedestrian level bridges across Garrard St into the main open square area. The link to the station is then on two levels. A short covered mall presumably links up to the station subway, while a ramp up to the street level will bring you out by Thames tower (the brown glass building). I couldn't quite work it out, but they guy I was talking to was making a big deal of improvements in access to the north, which had been a major complaint of the CABE previously.

The Friar's Walk buildings are ground floor retail with apartments above. Then you have a "cultural" building by the square and taller apartment buildings, with office buildings fronting station hill. The bowling alley will be above a supermarket in a two-storey linking building between the two western-most buildings, currently occupying the site to the west of the defunct bus station.

All in all, looks well thought through, well linked into Friar St, slightly more open space between the buildings, so thumbs up! Good exhibition - worth going to.
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The Lib Dems make a very good point about the need to ensure the needs of passengers changing from train to bus and vice-versa at Reading Station are met. Not forgetting bus-to-bus too. The current facilities for bus users are unattractive, but the great advantage of the current arrangement is that virtually every bus route in Reading stops within a few feet of the Station.
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wirewiper wrote:The current facilities for bus users are unattractive, but the great advantage of the current arrangement is that virtually every bus route in Reading stops within a few feet of the Station.
Personally, I'm not happy with the revised proposals but they are significantly better than the original one of having 4 bus terminals :roll:.

However, Reading Buses are in a slightly weak position here with RBC doing what can only be described as fawning over Sackville. Bizarre since as the shareholder you would have thought that having the buses interests at heart would be uppermost in their minds. Too much chasing section 106 cash over the years to fill the black hole in the budget has left the council vulnerable and with the collapse in the property market, this could be the only significant amount of cash they are likely to get.

The highways department are well aware of my opinion that unless the connections are integrated at a single point, it is not an interchange. I remain to be convinced that the alternative they have proposed is feasible, but the traffic model hasn't been run on it yet so I'll reserve judgement.
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I think that some people in this town are suffering from delusions of grandeur.

This is not New York, Frankfurt or Hong Kong but Reading, a provincial town to the west of London which once upon a time used to be home to the UK computer industry and now is not.

All we have to do is look around at the empty office blocks currently in the town centre to realise that we do not need any more & that's without mentioning the disaster which is Green Park.

Put simply, we are too close to London to attract the major corporations which would look to rent the type of structures envisaged for our town centre and to go ahead with this development would just create another White Elephant.

If Reading is to thrive economically in the future, I believe that greater focus should be placed on creating an environment which would support high tech SME's in the ITC and BioTech sectors. Small companies which have the potential to expand in this area and create jobs for local people.
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Tyler, I don't disagree at all with the thrust of your posting, but I need to remind you that Reading still hosts:

Oracle
Microsoft
Symantec
Yell
Sage
CommVault
DNS Arrow
Parts of Cisco, Logica

Not forgetting all the offices in nearby in Bracknell (HP, Dell, Fujitsu Siemens, Novell).
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Tyler wrote:I think that some people in this town are suffering from delusions of grandeur.

This is not New York, Frankfurt or Hong Kong but Reading, a provincial town to the west of London which once upon a time used to be home to the UK computer industry and now is not.

All we have to do is look around at the empty office blocks currently in the town centre to realise that we do not need any more & that's without mentioning the disaster which is Green Park.

Put simply, we are too close to London to attract the major corporations which would look to rent the type of structures envisaged for our town centre and to go ahead with this development would just create another White Elephant.

If Reading is to thrive economically in the future, I believe that greater focus should be placed on creating an environment which would support high tech SME's in the ITC and BioTech sectors. Small companies which have the potential to expand in this area and create jobs for local people.

I think this is a very valid point but it doesn't detract from the fact that Reading is a genuinely viable alternative to London in terms of corporate head office positioning and this should be capitalised upon. Yes, we're currently in an economic climate where people and businesses are cautious but it's not going to last forever!

I would also like to see something similar to that which operates in cities like Dundee. High growth SMEs especially in the IT sector are actively encouraged to relocate to a specialist business park (Science Park) with EU funding supporting this. This kind of initiative means you get dynamic businesses which are in a growth phase developing employment opportunities AND raising the profile of the town/city.

It would be lovely if Reading were similarly fighting for EU funding to help create the relocation of a second tier of successful businesses rather than just relying on the big boys.
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Yola wrote:
I would also like to see something similar to that which operates in cities like Dundee. High growth SMEs especially in the IT sector are actively encouraged to relocate to a specialist business park (Science Park) with EU funding supporting this. This kind of initiative means you get dynamic businesses which are in a growth phase developing employment opportunities AND raising the profile of the town/city.
You mean like this:
http://www.reading-forum.co.uk/forum/vi ... =68&t=3696
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Exactly! But with Reading also being active is securing funding for the town/businesses from the EU to help support the growth of such an environment. My concern with it being alied to the University is that it will be seen academic rather than commercial but maybe some kind of balance can be struck between the two . . .
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Don't forget the station is being repositioned and is being built over and under where the subway is, so the old bridge will not exist presumably, possibly leading to the demolition of brunel arcade. So perhaps a bus terminus could be built where brunel arcade is.

We colour code the the bus routes in Reading, we could colour code the bus ternminus. Garrad street could be reopened at the top by Foster Wheeler, this street will need to remain open for trucks delivering to Foster Wheeler and the IBIS, Novotel, so the height has to be at least that of double deck bus on Station Hill 2 Friars Walk part of the scheme.

The whole idea of this scheme is to encourage a new thorough fare and open space, with the demise of Woolworths perhaps a new public realm could be created between friar street or the pedestrinisation of friar street.

Linking the station and Station Hill 2 together is imaginative.
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Reading Post
By Paul Robins
June 26, 2009


Sir John Madejski's property company Sackville has submitted an outline planning application for the redevelopment of Station Hill.

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Revised proposals for the £400million scheme to transform the rundown area around Reading station were submitted to Reading Borough Council planning chiefs today. <June 26>.

The new designs include landmark office towers, shops, restaurants, a bowling alley and a public arts venue centred around a public square.

The 3.25-acre mixed-use project is a reworking of the former plan which was vetoed by the Government last year over fears it was not in keeping with the area.

Sir John said: "Our new proposal for Station Hill is designed to be one of the first major mixed-use developments to contribute to Reading Borough Council's vision of transforming the station area into a top-class location for business, retail, leisure and culture.

"We're optimistic that we will receive the support we think we - and Reading - deserve."

The application for Station Hill 2 will be put to the council's planning committee in the Autumn and, if given the green light, Sackville hope to begin work in 2011.

www.getreading.co.uk
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chris wrote:Tyler, I don't disagree at all with the thrust of your posting, but I need to remind you that Reading still hosts:

Oracle
Microsoft
Symantec
Yell
Sage
CommVault
DNS Arrow
Parts of Cisco, Logica

Not forgetting all the offices in nearby in Bracknell (HP, Dell, Fujitsu Siemens, Novell).
Verizon have a large presence too...

Cambridge (and bits of east anglia) seems to be a hot spot for Biotech companies, not sure we should be pitching Reading as a competitor for that particular industry. Hi tech makes sense, and is already well represented. I don't agree the town doesn't need this kind of thing, you only have to look at Yell for proof. They're vacating their current premise(s) next year and needed a large town centre property to house the amalgamated group. They're moving very close to the station into One Reading Central which is currently being built. The proximity to the rail link is quite crucial as a lot of staff commute in (more so when some of the Slough staff move over). I'd be very surprised if modern offices in the vicinity of the station which have the capacity to house a large company will sit idle like many of the small vacant offices that litter the town now do. Hopefully the bus situation can be resolved into a more workable solution, but I'm sure Warren's already on the case :-)
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The vast majority of huge towers like this, also house size smaller companies, that may fit the smaller empty premises dotted around town, but still want to be based in a landmark building. 30 St Mary AX, Tower 42, two examples in London.

Reading University leads the field in cybernetics, this a field of science far in advance of normal robotics, though it involves robotics, it is the communication and operation of machines based on biological concepts.
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smiff wrote:Cambridge (and bits of east anglia) seems to be a hot spot for Biotech companies, not sure we should be pitching Reading as a competitor for that particular industry. Hi tech makes sense, and is already well represented.
... and ...
james obrien wrote:Reading University leads the field in cybernetics, this a field of science far in advance of normal robotics, though it involves robotics, it is the communication and operation of machines based on biological concepts.
Actually Reading is home to quite a number of life sciences based companies. Mostly clustered around the University, which has long made quite a theme of cross-disciplinary research roughly centred around life-sciences. Cybernetics is an example. So is the applied statistics department's leadership in actuarial science. And the fibre-optic cameras that allow surgeons to look inside you were invented in the 70s by a professor of physics here (shame that department is going).

Oddly enough, given that the Thames Valley is pretty much the centre of the UK IT industry, Reading University has never been seen as particularly strong in computer science based research (cybernetics aside). That industry is very much more of the town than the gown, and most of its employees probably studied elsewhere.

I always find it surprising how little most people in Reading know about the Uni, and some of its more interesting tenants. Not least because I lived in Reading for 25 years before I came to work at one of those tenant companies, and I knew none of that then.
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I used to collect the mail from the inviversity.

I can't remember the names of everywhere, there was a research firm at Early gate, it is was to the right opposite what was the robotics department in the one story buildings, I believe it did research into crops.

Lord Zuckerman research building, which ws multi tenated, and another research building nearby.

This was back in the early 90s.
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For quite obviou reasons, research companies do not tend to over publicise their wherabouts. Just think back a couple of years to Oxford.
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http://www.reading.gov.uk/councilanddem ... 2-A78435E1

Good news - the council are recommended to approve both Station Hill and the new station southern entrance next week.
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I see that one of the conditions is that they can't start construction until the new station building has been substantially completed.
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Good news Peterson?! Only half of it.

Station Hill is good news. The staion is terrible news! The whole way that pedestrians and transport move around the station is wrong. I am angry about this and going to do something. Network Rail and this flaming brain dead council need their heads banged together till they realise it is wrong or until their heads collapse into a pulp from the ongoing banging of heads. Sorry about the language. Labour and connservatives have been going on the full support of the station project, I am amazed by the conservative support, come on you tories, you are going to be power next election in this town, you guys have to fight labour and find an alternative vision. The lib dems, well, no, no no, no, no, we don't support anything and have no vision.

The south west to north east flow of pedestrians in the station hill development is right.

The whole station is being built on the cheap, and the interchange fiasco, 3 different interchanges. I found the solution, looking in a book by Kenneth Powell called Architecture of the Future, about Richard Rogers. It had Richard Rogers plans for Guangzhou railway station, which were not adopted by Guangzhou province in China. The station needs to be built behind the old station building to the north and and to the west of the northern edge. The new station can not come across of a point east of the old station building. To the east of both structures, an elevated pedestrian boleuvard linking across to the northern side of the tracks. With access to the new Station. To the east of the boleuvard an elevated interchange occupying the site of the current new station and also spreading north toward the other side of the tracks. As i have said before 10,000 feet of breathable air space above us, use it. Hey this plan does not even use up highways land. If we want to be really clever the roundabout could be moved slightly east so station hill road passes under the pedestrian boleuvard.
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Ah, the joys of spending money you just don't have...
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Interesting thoughts James, but the council doesn't even have the £22m it needs to do it "on the cheap" yet!
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The council is not paying for the station, Network Rail is. What I am asking for is a better design. Its not like any land has to bought up by Network Rail to do this. It is within the councils power to say no. We want better. Or have councils really got no power any more?
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Fair enough - my point was just that Network Rail aren't really paying for much to do with the new station at the moment, more the grade separation, Cow Lane bridges, footbridge, platforms etc. But the southern concourse going to planning on Wednesday night is not being funded by Network Rail as things stand, and it seems to be Reading Borough Council doing most of the moving and shaking to find the £22m Pat Baxter says it will cost.

Whether the design should be better - well, you may well be right, it will be interesting to hear what the planning committee thinks.
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Tib wrote:it will be interesting to hear what the planning committee thinks.
My money is on it will be voted through so quick it may as well have been greased with butter. Now, where is that masterplan?
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...and it was: http://www.readingchronicle.co.uk/news/ ... s-approved. Although thanks to Cllr Bayes, it may not have been entirely greased with butter!
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from propertyweek:
http://www.propertyweek.com/story.asp?s ... 149436&c=1

Sir John Madjeski's £400m Station Hill 2 development was approved last night by the planning committee at Reading Borough Council.

Following recommendations by planning officers, the council's committee voted to grant consent to Sackville Developments for its 1.72m-sq ft mixed-use scheme which will be adjacent to Reading station.

If Sackville does not face any further delays work could begin in 2011 with the first phase being completed by 2014.

The development which will be spread across five acres includes offices, residential towers, retail, cafes, restaurants, an arts venue, a health and fitness facility, new public spaces and a central public piazza.

The approval comes after the scheme hit several delays over the years. An outline planning application for a 1.4m-sq ft scheme was submitted to the council in February 2007. In March 2008 the planning committee resolved to grant consent but it was called-in by the former Secretary of State, Hazel Blears in May 2008.

Sackville withdrew the planning application in August 2008 to work up a bigger scheme incorporating the adjoining Friars Walk shopping centre. Most elements of the original proposal were retained. A new application was submitted in June this year.

The Station Hill scheme will be integrated with Network Rail's and the council's £825m plans to redevelop Reading station that were also approved last night. This includes upgrading the areas in and around the station and providing a new public transport interchange.

Sackville's chairman, Sir John Madejski, who is also chairman of Reading Football Club, said: 'This is a huge step forward and the right thing at the right time for Reading. We have been working on our proposals for more than four years and our aim has always been to create a bold, flagship scheme which would meet the council's vision for the area. Our vision is now set to become a reality.'

Jon Homan, development director at Sackville, said: 'We have consulted local people throughout the application process and the message that always comes across is - 'the sooner the better'. The Station Hill area is crying out for regeneration.'

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james obrien wrote:I am amazed by the conservative support
Are you really? £32,000 donated to the Reading East Conservative Party by Madejski since April 2005. :whistle1:

Get with the programme! :wink:
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james obrien wrote:It is within the councils power to say no
As this bit has always confused me, I've been trying to find out who is actually responsible for the Piazza. I was told that it was Madejski who wanted the Piazza (the words used were "John Madejski wanted a European style piazza and a European piazza he will get", but that was from a third party source and I'm happy to be corrected on that). However, it would appear that the blocking off of Station Hill is being championed by RBC.

I haven't got my cabinet papers yet, and some of the items will almost certainly be 'blue papered' (i.e. confidential, so I won't be able to report it, sneaky eh?) but Labour's enthusiasm for the scheme is probably not entirely unrelated to the £5.5m of section 106 money they will get from the developers.
james obrien wrote:I am amazed by the conservative support
Are you really? £32,000 donated to the Reading East Conservative Party by Madejski since April 2005. :whistle1:

Get with the programme! :wink:[/quote]
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Warren you are a typical politician, twisting someones statment to make it look like something else, and only using part of it. I am amazed at the Conservative support for Station Hill as in the station entrance and the proposed changes to the bus routes, not the Sackville development. Look below.

"Labour and connservatives have been going on the full support of the station project, I am amazed by the conservative support, come on you tories, you are going to be power next election in this town, you guys have to fight labour and find an alternative vision."

Read Station project! This is not the Sackville part. Get with the Programme!? I am with it!

Really Warren, don't abuse your position, especially on a public forum, people in your ward do read this forum.
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So what if theres a Piazza in between the station and station hill, there are engineering solutions so we don't send the buses else where.
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james obrien wrote:Warren you are a typical politician, twisting someones statment to make it look like something else, and only using part of it. I am amazed at the Conservative support for Station Hill as in the station entrance and the proposed changes to the bus routes, not the Sackville development. Look below.

"Labour and connservatives have been going on the full support of the station project, I am amazed by the conservative support, come on you tories, you are going to be power next election in this town, you guys have to fight labour and find an alternative vision."

Read Station project! This is not the Sackville part. Get with the Programme!? I am with it!

Really Warren, don't abuse your position, especially on a public forum, people in your ward do read this forum.
You are the one who made a political point about Lib Dems having no vision, I think I am entitled to respond how I see fit.

And you have not made yourself clear in the slightest. You seem to be suggesting that it is somehow Network Rail's fault and not Sackville/RBC.
  • Only the station is Network Rail - that is the land beyond the road.
  • The entrance/exit will be built on what is currently RBC controlled land.
  • The station piazza is RBC/Sackville.
  • The changes to bus routes is RBC/Sackville.
Sackville require the station development to deliver footfall to their buildings which is why RBC and Sackville are the key to this, not Network Rail. RBC has shown no backbone and has bent over backwards to Sackville's every wish. Network Rail don't give a stuff where the interchange is. It's RBC's decision, so why you are trying to shift blame to Network Rail and away from the real culprits is slightly puzzling.

You say that the Lib Dems have no vision. Au contraire, we seem to be the only ones who have the bollocks to stand up and say that between Sackville, RBC and Network Rail we are going to end up with a complete pigs breakfast of a transport interchange in this town. Maybe that's because we aren't beholden to the developer for funding or so desperate for section 106 cash to fill the big black hole in the finances that we are prepared to lie on our backs and waggle our arms and legs in the air.

We support the Sackville development in principle, we support the station redevelopment in principle. We don't support the knocking down of a listed building and we don't support the abdication of responsibility when it comes to providing a proper transport interchange.

I think that is very clear and not twisting anyone's words.
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So what if theres a Piazza in between the station and station hill, there are engineering solutions so we don't send the buses else where.
Exactly.

I cannot comment on the station due to my professional role. However, the development of the whole area could have been controlled by the Council through the planning process - if they could be bothered. I have been making that point, in public and private, for six months or more.

The careful and strategic planning of the wider Station area to achieve real benefits for the people of Reading, James, is a very clear vision that only the Liberal Democrats have. The others appear to be content to roll on their backs and let the developers do what they like. (and I don't make political points on here very often - but I can't let that one go.)

With the result that engineering solutions, and imaginative design, are ignored. The losers will be local people with less mobility who will find it harder to jump on the bus when the stop moves three times as far away.
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Who is going to own the new station entrance? Where is the money coming from and is it going to essentially block up the whole interchange. Why does footfall have to arrive from the station being in the middle of Station Hill and not an enlarged improved station to the east built on the current station extension.

Then someone answer this. What will happen to the current station extension, if the station is built to the west? Could a two lane road or single traffic light controlled be built below the Piazza, and could the former station extension be used as an interchange? I have only seen one vision for the area, Sackville's. The idea of vehicle free pedestrian movement between station and town is great. Is it too late to add other designs to it?
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