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Come to think of it Pi, there does seem, at the moment seem to be a dedicated bus service, though for staff only. I have quite often recently seen a small bus labelled NHS shuttle going from station, usually when I see it pretty empty, though that may be that I see it at quiet times
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BOY RACER wrote: 02 Mar 2022 20:29I think we need to step back and look at the NHS as a whole.firstly the NHS stands for NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE. Not any more. Figures now show that 50% of deaths in nursing homes was caused by the NHS. and 24% of other COVID deaths were caused by the NHS.
Do you have any sources for those figures? They certainly don't agree with recent research published last December in the BMJ, which found that “Neglect, thirst, and hunger were—and possibly still are—the biggest killers,” or in The Lancet in January, which concluded "Our main finding is that the relative mortality of people living in care homes compared to private homes increased during the first – but not the second – wave... Several preventative measures were introduced in England between the first and the second wave. Initial measures focused on testing of staff and residents, provision of personal protective equipment (PPE),and visits were effectively banned with the announcement of the first national lockdown on 23 March 2020. However, the UK governments’ COVID-19 action plan for adult social care was not published until 15 April 2020, and there were widespread reports of limited availability of both testing and personal protective equipment (PPE) during the first wave. A lack of PPE has since been linked to higher case numbers once an outbreak has occurred. Several studies have also highlighted the importance of supporting staff to manage the risk of COVID-19 outbreaks, with numbers of staff not directly involved in the care of residents, not paying statutory sick pay, use of agency staff as well as lower staff-to-bed ratios all linked to a higher risk of COVID-19 outbreaks. A policy of regular testing of staff and residents, regardless of symptoms, was announced on the 3rd of July 2020 - after the first wave."

It should also be pointed out that the discharge of 25,000 patients from hospitals into care homes, including those infected or possibly infected with COVID-19 and the guidance for hospital discharge that ‘Negative tests are not required prior to transfers / admissions into the care home’ were decisions made by the government in the Department of Health, NOT by the NHS. And the fact that in those first six weeks or so care homes were waiting to receive guidance, struggling to access (adequate amounts of) PPE, and had no access to testing,is again a government failing and nothing to do with the NHS.
BOY RACER wrote: 02 Mar 2022 20:29At present there are £2 billion in judicial system against the NHS. OF THIS £1 billion is against one department. Maternity. There has to be something seriously wrong as MATERNITY is not even considered an ailment or illness
It may not be an ailment or an illness, but every qualified medical professional I know who has any experience of working in maternity will tell you that it's a complex, risky and at times dangerous time. It's rather different from putting on a pair of socks or eating a bacon sarnie. Yes, there have been errors, no doubt, but we also end up saving a lot more babies now that in previous years would have died. And the reason why the potential liability is large is because if something has gone wrong, you're looking at having to compensate somebody for the whole of their life, which could be 50-80 years. The cost of providing for a period that long, when you include building in inflation-proofing is enormous, compared to say having to compensate a 75 year old pensioner for the rest of their life. So I'd suggest that the reasons for the huge potential liability looming in maternity cases is not so much competence but simple maths.
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BOY RACER wrote: 02 Mar 2022 20:29 ..............................
As READING has always been a general hospital with patients being sent to LONDON OR OXFROD. for special care then anywhere in the Reading area will do

Obviously not in the TOWN CENTRE as the modern NHS does not want patients in Reading to be able to access their premises easily and READING BERKSHIRE HOSPITAL should be renamed READING AREA HOSPITAL. but where to site it. My suggestion is on the site of READING WEST BERKS HOSPITAL at thatcham. Before you say there is not enough room, you are al closeted to an east/west building. Look towards the future to a north/south building. Where instead of walking a 1/4 of a mile along numerous corridors you use lifts and escalators to take you to your department.
There appears to be some confusion here –
First up - The Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust and is one of the largest ‘general’ hospital foundation trusts in the country – but it is a ‘trust’ and covers quite a few hospitals / clinics etc under that umbrella (including West Berkshire and South Oxfordshire)

RBH – is ‘one’ of them and does have general intake (as do many others) and an A&E department, but also has a lot of specialist sections –
e.g. it has one of two Cancer Centres (both under RB Trust) covering the Thames Valley, so covers ‘all’ of Berkshire and of South Oxfordshire - so majority of cancer patients come 'here' - similar to other illness’s being treated elsewhere
And there are a lot of other clinics etc like that at RBH

And that’s the other confusion – where is Reading Berkshire Hospital as it doesn’t exit – RBH is Royal Berkshire Hospital, in Reading
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It also has Frimley and Wrexham Park within the Trust I believe?
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Voiceoftreason? wrote: 03 Mar 2022 09:40 It also has Frimley and Wrexham Park within the Trust I believe?
I think they are but associated via the Berkshire Healthcare NHS Foundation Trust

The main list is –
Bracknell Healthspace
Dingley Child Development Centre (at the Uni’)
Prince Charles Eye Unit (Windsor)
West Berkshire Community Hospital
Windsor Dialysis Unit

But there are some Oxfordshire clinics working at RBH
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List of all departments at RBH, and the associated Trusts baking them
Accident and emergency services
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Audiology services (community)
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Bariatric surgery
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Breast cancer services
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Breast Surgery
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Cancer Services
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Cardiology
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Cataract Surgery
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Children's & Adolescent Services
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Colorectal cancer services
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Dementia Services
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Dermatology
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Diabetic Medicine
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Diagnostic Endoscopy
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Diagnostic Imaging
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Diagnostic Physiological Measurement
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Dialysis
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Ear, Nose & Throat
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Emergency Abdominal Surgery
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Endocrine and thyroid surgery
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Endocrinology and Metabolic Medicine
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Eye - accident and emergency services
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Fertility services
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Gastrointestinal and Liver services
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

General Pathology
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

General Surgery
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Genetics
• Oxford University Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust

Geriatric Medicine
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Gynaecology
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Haematology
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Health Promotion
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Infectious Diseases
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Inpatient Diabetes
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Intensive Care
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Major trauma
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Maternity services
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Neonatal Care
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Nephrology
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Neurology
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Obstetrics And Gynaecology
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Occupational therapy services
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Oncology - Clinical
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Ophthalmology
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Oral and Maxillofacial Surgery
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Orthopaedics
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Orthotics and Prosthetics
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Paediatric Surgery
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Pain Management
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Palliative care
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Phlebotomy services
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Physiotherapy
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Plastic surgery
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Prostate Cancer Service
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Rehabilitation
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Respiratory Medicine
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Rheumatology
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Sexual health services
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Sleep Medicine
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Stroke
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Urology
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Vascular surgery
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust


A little more than a general hospital?
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OLDMAN wrote: 03 Mar 2022 10:30
Voiceoftreason? wrote: 03 Mar 2022 09:40 It also has Frimley and Wrexham Park within the Trust I believe?
I think they are but associated via the Berkshire Healthcare NHS Foundation Trust

The main list is –
Bracknell Healthspace
Dingley Child Development Centre (at the Uni’)
Prince Charles Eye Unit (Windsor)
West Berkshire Community Hospital
Windsor Dialysis Unit

But there are some Oxfordshire clinics working at RBH
Ah right. And Townlands too, I forgot them.
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The latest edition of Pulse, the newsletter sent to those in the trust , contains the following:

Building Berkshire Together – Hospital Redevelopment Update
In 2019 the Royal Berkshire Hospital was announced as one of 48 sites across the UK that
was selected for the Government’s New Hospital Programme. So far we have submitted the
3
first phase, the Strategic Outline Case and we are awaiting feedback to progress to the next
formal stage.
While we await feedback, we have been progressing with a number of projects to ensure
that we are in the best position to progress. We have devised a range of options to
redevelop or relocate the current main site of the Royal Berkshire Hospital and we will
develop these further, to reach a preferred option.
We have established a small team, led by Programme Director, Alison Foster to work on
developing the options with patients, carers, staff and the local community.
We would love you to join our network and be part of the team to design the hospital with us.
We will be looking for people from across the community to be involved as much or as little
as you wish, either with a general interest in the hospital or those with specific skills. Please
email buildingberkshireto[email protected] or call Lynn Bushell,
Communications and Engagement Lead on 0118 322 5360 for further details.
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I spotted this on the RBH website:
Royal Berkshire Hospital is holding a series of community engagement events for local people to update them on the progress of the redevelopment and ensure that the plan meets the needs of staff, patients, visitors and local communities. These community engagement events will share the latest updates on the redevelopment plans, and welcome suggestions and ideas from the very diverse community around us. All are welcome.

The dates are as follows:

Wednesday 9 March 6.00 -7.00pm “Onsite Options” – webinar via Zoom
Friday 18 March 9.30 – 1.30pm “Co-producing the Hospital” - half day workshop and lunch at Reading Biscuit Factory, RG1 7QE - with facilitator Tricia Nicholl and local Healthwatch representatives
Monday 21 March 6.30 – 8.00pm “Co-producing the Hospital” – drop in event with refreshments at Coley Park Community Centre, RG1 6DW
Wednesday 23 March 1.00 -2.00pm “Net Zero at Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust” Urban Room, Broad Street Mall, RG1 7QE
Friday 25 March 10.00 – 11.30am “Building Berkshire Together Community Group Engagement” Urban Room, Broad Street Mall, RG1 7QE
Wednesday 30 March 10.00 - 11.00am “Building Berkshire Together Public Engagement – all welcome” Urban Room, Broad Street Mall , RG1 7QE
Monday 9 May 2022 – 7.00 – 8.00pm – “Our listed buildings” – webinar via Zoom
Please register your interest for one or more of these events, receive the webinar links or share your thoughts by emailing [email protected]

Also, if you would like us to come to an event or meeting you are holding and listen to your views, then let us know and we will try to accommodate this.
Source: https://www.royalberkshire.nhs.uk/news/ ... nt-events/
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I ‘attended’ (Zoom meeting) the local group meeting on Wednesday last week, and asked about all this and majority replied that apart from what’s in the news etc they didn’t know much about it, and that included two councillors – and one of them has ‘officially’ asked RBH but no reply as yet
The one person who knew anything was due as they get a copy of Pulse and thought everyone in the area got it / assumed knew about all that was going on
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OLDMAN wrote: 03 Mar 2022 10:36 List of all departments at RBH, and the associated Trusts baking them. To be honest D5 you have listed why the RBH is a general hospital. My point was that the 4 hospitals in Oxford specialise in certain areas. What does the RBH specialise in (1) due to mr Sharma cancer treatment. (2) Shoulder replacement surgery , second to none and 3) now together with Radcliffe hospital in Oxford again second to none in acute stroke surgery. Those three items are something to be proud of BUT the rest is cosmetic.
Accident and emergency services
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Audiology services (community)
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Bariatric surgery
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Breast cancer services
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Breast Surgery
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Cancer Services
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Cardiology
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Cataract Surgery
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Children's & Adolescent Services
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Colorectal cancer services
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Dementia Services
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Dermatology
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Diabetic Medicine
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Diagnostic Endoscopy
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Diagnostic Imaging
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Diagnostic Physiological Measurement
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Dialysis
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Ear, Nose & Throat
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Emergency Abdominal Surgery
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Endocrine and thyroid surgery
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Endocrinology and Metabolic Medicine
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Eye - accident and emergency services
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Fertility services
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Gastrointestinal and Liver services
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

General Pathology
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

General Surgery
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Genetics
• Oxford University Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust

Geriatric Medicine
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Gynaecology
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Haematology
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Health Promotion
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Infectious Diseases
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Inpatient Diabetes
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Intensive Care
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Major trauma
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Maternity services
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Neonatal Care
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Nephrology
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Neurology
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Obstetrics And Gynaecology
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Occupational therapy services
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Oncology - Clinical
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Ophthalmology
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Oral and Maxillofacial Surgery
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Orthopaedics
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Orthotics and Prosthetics
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Paediatric Surgery
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Pain Management
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Palliative care
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Phlebotomy services
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Physiotherapy
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Plastic surgery
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Prostate Cancer Service
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Rehabilitation
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Respiratory Medicine
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Rheumatology
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Sexual health services
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Sleep Medicine
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Stroke
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Urology
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

Vascular surgery
• Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust

A little more than a general hospital?
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I can only answer in simple terms

First you’ve messed up on the quote / reply system as it now reads odd

Second it was ‘me’ not D5 who posted the list

Third you obviously don’t know about the medical clines etc on offer as many things at RBH cannot be found within a 50 mile radius, that includes Oxford
Many patient are sent to RBH from London and other places as they cannot be treated at them

Likewise many get sent elsewhere (such as you good wife was) as RBH doesn’t offer those medical services – but that’s not surprising as no hospital can logistically do everything

In a previous role I was in the medical industry and visited many hospitals including the largest Uk one in Manchester, and none of them proved ‘everything’
In fact Manchester is a general hospital with about 1700 beds, but doesn’t have as much specialist services as RBH!
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BOY RACER wrote: 07 Mar 2022 21:11


A little more than a general hospital?
I am finding it hard to follow your train of thought.

RBH hasn’t claimed to be a General Hospital in decades. Ok, so the RBH hasn’t technically been the RBH Trust (alone) for that long.
It was the RBH and Battle before Battle was shut down.

The RBH is an Acute Hospital. At least get your terms right.
You seem to believe that the RBH exclusively serves people born inside the Borough of Reading. (Hint - it’s not the Royal Reading Hospital) Presumably by your account, you need to be born within earshot of st Mary the Virgin’s bells?

The RBH site is part of a much larger Trust, set up to serve the west and central parts of Berkshire.
God forbid that someone would be refused service because they live elsewhere.
The RBH is sited in Reading because in the 1830’s it was convenient.
Times change
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dave m wrote: 08 Mar 2022 09:27 [quote="BOY RACER" post_id=336793 time=<a href="tel:1646687488">1646687488</a> user_id=9605]



A little more than a general hospital?

The RBH is an Acute Hospital. At least get your terms right.

[/quote]. Edited

Let’s be gentlemanly, gents - not everyone is au fait with the nuances of what such establishments are called. To many people, a hospital is a hospital is a hospital, they don’t differentiate between the types.......
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OM & dave m - what an outburst :?
Voiceoftreason? wrote: 08 Mar 2022 10:08 Let’s be gentlemanly, gents - not everyone is au fait with the nuances of what such establishments are called. To many people, a hospital is a hospital is a hospital, they don’t differentiate between the types....... :?


BR made an ‘innocent comment’ - and he did quote you OM - not D5.

VoT is right, most people, who are not in the Medical profession, regard a hospital as just that - if there’s the need to attend there, they hope to be made better by some means or other - that’s what ‘hospital’ means.
The fact that the RBH is in Reading is good luck for many but yes it is the Royal Berkshire Hospital, so must be available to all Berkshire people, and as said, also treats many who don’t live in Berkshire and that’s good.
But those of us who live in Reading and close by would inevitably be a bit concerned if it wasn’t ‘just down the road’ that can’t be denied… on many counts.

However for most people locally it’s ‘a hospital’ - the various nuances of how it’s run, what treatments it offers etc. are not usually considered :shrug1:
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Agree Pi, though Reading has the biggest concentration of people in the area the hospital serves, so , on average, is in a more convenient place for the buildings to be than any other with regard to patients, relatives and services.
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piwacket wrote: 08 Mar 2022 13:17 OM & dave m - what an outburst :?
Voiceoftreason? wrote: 08 Mar 2022 10:08 Let’s be gentlemanly, gents - not everyone is au fait with the nuances of what such establishments are called. To many people, a hospital is a hospital is a hospital, they don’t differentiate between the types....... :?


BR made an ‘innocent comment’ - and he did quote you OM - not D5.

Yes I was quoted but read it and...............the reply comment appears in the middle of 'my' quote, which confuses things - and it does say in the reply
To be honest D5 you have listed why the RBH is a general hospital
so not addressed to me as such

As for the 'outburst' all I am doing is trying to point out what is correct information about RBH, and I believe DaveM did the same
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piwacket wrote: 08 Mar 2022 13:17 But those of us who live in Reading and close by would inevitably be a bit concerned if it wasn’t ‘just down the road’ that can’t be denied… on many counts.
Indeed. We shouldn't underestimate how lucky we are having the RBH.

I had a colleague who lived on the border between Thatcham and Newbury and whose daughter had quite bad asthma. Her GP actually advised her to consider moving to Reading because if her daughter had a severe attack she would have to go to the A&E at either RBH or Basingstoke and even under blues and twos the ambulance might not make it in time.

And my old home town of Huddersfield, which is about the same size as Reading, had a major hospital much like the RBH. After I left they merged it with that in Halifax, and closed the A&E and acute departments. My second cousin had a stroke in her 40s, and tragically the ambulance did not make it in time. After that, and other similar cases, there was an enormous row (it made PMQs) and eventually they reversed the decision.

We really do not want to find Reading in that kind of situation.
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did anyone attend the meetings, looking forward to hearing if they have made a choice to move or not.
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RTT wrote: 09 Mar 2022 22:34 did anyone attend the meetings, looking forward to hearing if they have made a choice to move or not.
No as it was our local group zoom meeting – but a couple of others didn’t attend, as joined the RBH one
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So ITV Meridian news has reported that Newbury Showground is being considered for the relocation of RBH. One of the reasons cited was the delays faced by ambulances trying to get to the current location. Given that Reading is the most significant population served by RBH, I would suggest that it would take a lot longer for most ambulances to get to the Showground compared to the current site.
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But quite an advantage for those in Newbury. It would be a stupid move, but West Berks council have always tended to try and aim for things to work best for Newbury, which has, after all, got quite a small proportion of the population of the area
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Bit silly as they already have West Berkshire Community Hospital over that which is part of the RBH Trust
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I still think best place would be around Green Park / J11 / off the A33 as they got offered years ago but didn’t go for

The private Berkshire Independent Hospital is there and they have no access problems plus as not ‘commutable’ into town etc they have FREE parking but no decent public transport to it

So if RBH had / do go over there it would mean new public transport routes to cover it!
But then they do have bus lanes along the A33 so shouldn’t be a problem................. :whistle1:
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BIH has lots of parking problems. It is a real PITA to try and park there because the car park is too small.
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According to GetReading, in October the Government will say how much money will be available for the rebuild. My guess is not enough to move to another site. After all it’s not as though we are an important city. The RBH in Newbury seems like they are being advised by Ryan Air.
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OLDMAN wrote: 25 May 2022 07:36 I still think best place would be around Green Park / J11 / off the A33 as they got offered years ago but didn’t go for

The private Berkshire Independent Hospital is there and they have no access problems plus as not ‘commutable’ into town etc they have FREE parking but no decent public transport to it

So if RBH had / do go over there it would mean new public transport routes to cover it!
But then they do have bus lanes along the A33 so shouldn’t be a problem................. :whistle1:
The BIH is in Wensley Road, Coley and is served by a number 11 bus, which is pretty regular and runs between town and coley park terminus. Access is generally via Berkeley Avenue for staff - the BIH is ‘this’ side of Rose Kiln Lane. Occasionally it get snarled up, like a lot of places, if there’s a problem on either J11 or J12.

Plenty of parking is correct - as long as the lookey likeys keep away.....
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Obviously compulsorily purchase orders are available to the NHS via local authorities, but people also need to remember that Green Park is private property and owned by a Singapore investment group. A Hospital might disrupt their plans for the remainder or totality of the site. They may well feel that the “quiet park lifestyle” would be damaged.

Ditto on University land although much of the land is currently farmland or “unused”
Obviously they won’t bang it right up against the Studios, even if it used some of the road infrastructure approaching the area.

Reading already runs medical training in association with the RBH / BHT and the Biomedical science dept.
They’ve just spent £60 million on a new building
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I wonder if some of the land where the mad stad is, would be viable. I don’t think it’s ever going to be developed as the consortium would like - cinema, upgraded hotel, conference centre, housing etc. It’s just a car park at the moment......
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Oops. I got my hospitals mixed up. It is the Circle Hospital that is at Green Park/Kennet Island and parking is a PITA. Have never driven to BIH in Coley only cycled.
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Voiceoftreason? wrote: 25 May 2022 09:56 I wonder if some of the land where the mad stad is, would be viable. I don’t think it’s ever going to be developed as the consortium would like - cinema, upgraded hotel, conference centre, housing etc. It’s just a car park at the moment......
Had a quick look on Google Earth.
Not as much room as you'd think
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Plenty of room if you knocked down the stadium :whistle1:
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Also plenty of room between Longwater Ave and the railway line, just north of the M4.
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dave m wrote: 25 May 2022 11:16
Voiceoftreason? wrote: 25 May 2022 09:56 I wonder if some of the land where the mad stad is, would be viable. I don’t think it’s ever going to be developed as the consortium would like - cinema, upgraded hotel, conference centre, housing etc. It’s just a car park at the moment......
Had a quick look on Google Earth.
Not as much room as you'd think
Room for a non-essential conference centre though......

There were plans for several high rise flats, inevitably, and also several low rises with open spaces. A hospital of several stories would, I think, fit. A P and R would fix most parking and a similar four or five storey park for staff and patients should just about fit. When you can’t go out, go up.
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mikejee wrote: 25 May 2022 11:22 Plenty of room if you knocked down the stadium :whistle1:
Wouldn’t be missed I’m sure MJ. When was the last time it was at capacity? The club has been loosing money for years. Be better off sited at the old dog stadium :roflol3:
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