The Foundry Quarter (Weldale Street)

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I too remember H C Goodman from my early days in Reading, but my recollection is that they were on the Great Brigham Mead site by the Caversham Road/Vastern Road roundabout. I wouldn't have said this was 'by Caversham Bridge'. Is that the Peter Brett building?.

Not sure when they disappeared, but I recall them using the site opposite after the signal works was demolished and before the retail park was built. That was probably just to park their trucks, but it does mean they were around for some years after 1977, as the signal works was still there then.
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Goodmans were opposite The Viking cafe, on the bridge approach.

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windrush wrote: 15 Mar 2017 19:36 Goodmans were opposite The Viking cafe, on the bridge approach.

Pete.
Ok. My memory must be at fault. Definately remember them parking their trucks on the old signal works site though. That must have been either late 1970s or early 80s.

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Morning all I did a lot of contract work for Goodmans in the 80s within the heating division, the steel section was indeed opposite the Viking café now called the Gorge and the lorries were kept as stated, the heating division was based in Stratfield Saye, both parts of the company ceased in 1984 if I remember correctly, although I worked on contract they were a good company and only ceased trading through bad debts, Regards to all Colin
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Griffiths was indeed on the corner of Vastern road and Caversham road, I used to buy steel mesh from them to make barriers to surround oil tanks in school and factory grounds. Colin Swan
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This sort of explains their demise -

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/iss ... 5/data.pdf
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Was talking to a neighbour a few days ago who told me her daughter worked for H C Goodman as a teenager and was made redundant in about 1983, probably at or shortly before the time the site closed. The neighbour also worked in the same industry - she worked for Robert Cort, who had an office near Reading Bridge. The H C Goodman plant was where the Peter Brett building is today. Our area's claim to be Reading's real Foundry Quarter is slowly strengthening - although Katesgrove might just out-foundry us :-P
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Spoke briefly to the till lady in Iceland yesterday - she said that February next year is currently the date Iceland are slated to be closing and vacating the premises.

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windrush wrote: 15 Mar 2017 19:36 Goodmans were opposite The Viking cafe, on the bridge approach.

Pete.
Wasn't this load of old iron on the site opposite the Gorge cafe? Made in Glasgow rather then Reading though

.http://www.reading-forum.co.uk/forum/do ... ew&id=6597
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http://www.getreading.co.uk/news/readin ... s-13879610

Approved.

The article and the comments mentions some criticism of the architectural quality and design of the development. I have to agree here, from the concept images. It just looks so boring, little or no architectural features, and its a shame because many new builds are admittedly of a similar style.

Anything is better than the derelict site at the moment. But I'd just like to reflect on the reactions expressed on the site above. If its not of a visual quality that the public/locals can appreciate, it doesn't reflect very well on the developers and architects at all, and the public can see that (although on the other hand, I do acknowledge that some will like and appreciate the architecture). This is shown by the disappointment expressed on the article above, and the comments.

Take the Blade and the new offices on the Metal Box site. They are new builds, but they don't have to be a single massive block of completely bland repeating squares. The architects have introduced features which distinguish the buildings well. Be it a rather large spire (unpopular with some!), or diagonal exposed trusses behind a glass wall.

Thames Tower, in my (subjective!) opinion, is a good example of where the grid/square design is used well. The exterior materials complement the shape of the building, and the overall footprint (square) of the building is emphasised by the right-angles on the facade. I don't think it would have worked so well if Thames Tower had been a rectangular building in terms of width.

Yes, architecture is very subjective. But where is all the ambition gone? More complex examples of Brutalist architecture in the 60s/70s may not have been popular, but I can imagine it was challenging and exciting to design, and look at. My opinion is that maybe today's blocky architecture is like magnolia paint on walls: 'it is plain, neutral, not the most interesting, but will not age as much next season'.
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Superbly unimaginative urban planning. The council’s own 2050 ‘manifesto’ states it wants to introduce more mixed-use housing. How about starting now instead of throwing up another crop of bland, visually retarded boxes, designed to cram in as many poor schmucks as possible?
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Wow... (and that is a bad wow). More of a *sigh*.

I am so so disappointed by this. It's a really large area, next to the IDR and visible to passing traffic. It had the potential to really set the tone for those passing through and show a modern example of urban living, city centre accomodation in a plus new apartment complex right next to town.

Even just a google search of "Nice apartment buildings" demonstrates the kind of thing that could be done

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=nice+ ... 8&bih=1086

Obviously there's money being spent here and I know there's a budget, but c'mon... BMW Site looks far better than this boring block, the new Kwik Fit buildings too, even Chatham Place with it's modern shiney exterior. Just better than a brown block building.

The worst thing about all of this, is that in about 20 years (possibly less) this will look like a run down farm of buildings which just dampen the sky line and offer nothing.
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Oh and once again I'd just like to say I don't think the buildings are tall enough.

I know there's probably things like light blocking, impact to other properties, but it's just my unqualified immediate thoughts.
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Bland, drab, unimaginative... Whilst I'm sure the prices won't allow it to be, it looks disappointingly like various old estates of flats that have been demolished across the country (and indeed across the world, such as some of the US "projects") - like a 2017 version of c.1962.
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bobby1413 wrote: 12 Nov 2017 10:07 Oh and once again I'd just like to say I don't think the buildings are tall enough.

I know there's probably things like light blocking, impact to other properties, but it's just my unqualified immediate thoughts.
I thought the same thing. But especially being situated to the south of some residential properties, probably means there is light blocking. Having said this, other buildings in the UK seem to be a fair height whilst near to low rise buildings.

I think the 'tallest' block, aesthetically, would look better at least double the height proposed.
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But would anyone here actually like to live in one of these? And what will they be like in 20 years time?

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Bob deBilda wrote: 12 Nov 2017 18:32 But would anyone here actually like to live in one of these? And what will they be like in 20 years time?

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I think you've asked this before on other threads (I may be wrong but I know someone has) and it's just a pointless question.

I doubt we are the target market and I doubt you are too.

It's no doubt aimed at younger people with less ties, - more cosmopolitan lifestyle that revolves around pubs, socialising, working in London or Central Reading and spending Sundays in a cafe drinking skinny lattes.

Your question is like asking "but would anyone here actually like to go to Magaluf on an 18-30s holiday?!"
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The target market can't afford the flats though...
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bobby1413 wrote: 12 Nov 2017 23:34
Bob deBilda wrote: 12 Nov 2017 18:32 But would anyone here actually like to live in one of these? And what will they be like in 20 years time?

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I think you've asked this before on other threads (I may be wrong but I know someone has) and it's just a pointless question.

I doubt we are the target market and I doubt you are too.

It's no doubt aimed at younger people with less ties, - more cosmopolitan lifestyle that revolves around pubs, socialising, working in London or Central Reading and spending Sundays in a cafe drinking skinny lattes.

Your question is like asking "but would anyone here actually like to go to Magaluf on an 18-30s holiday?!"
It seems to me that we are happy to build small boxes for other people who can afford little else, as long as the outside appearance pleases us. Where is the government, where is the housing policy?

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Mayfield wrote: 13 Nov 2017 04:33 The target market can't afford the flats though...
Good point ....

I guess the rich landlords will buy them and rent them out to the younger people for around £1200 for a two bedroom flat.
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The rub being that if they had the deposit the target market could afford them...something going wrong here..
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So if Iceland is going and Sainsbury's friar street is going it only really leaves the Tesco opposite the Broad St Mall (which is tiny) at that end of town for all these new apartment owners to shop in. I know there is "online ordering" but I am talking about sudden need for a box of cornflakes or a loaf of bread and some jam type of shopping, considering all these are meant to be inhabited by people without cars.
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ReadingBiker wrote: 13 Nov 2017 13:02 So if Iceland is going and Sainsbury's friar street is going it only really leaves the Tesco opposite the Broad St Mall (which is tiny) at that end of town for all these new apartment owners to shop in. I know there is "online ordering" but I am talking about sudden need for a box of cornflakes or a loaf of bread and some jam type of shopping, considering all these are meant to be inhabited by people without cars.
I dunno

I wouldn't worry as you're not moving there so it shouldn't really concern you. If people want to live there then I'm sure they'll find a place to shop, whether that's the M&S in town, or a small Tesco/Sainsburys or online ordering.
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Plenty of grocery shops on Oxford Road. Empty units in Chatham Street flats at street level might well become shops with more people living in the area. Mainstream supermarkets might take up a unit or two now there will be a couple of thousand more people in the area.

And I thought there were "too many Tescos" in the town, according to received wisdom on Reading Forum over the years.

Hardly a reason to object to this development.

I note, however, the only councillors to vote against this development were LibDem and Green. Tory and Lab in coalition, once again. Why the majority keep electing these parties when we seem to bemoan their decisions constantly is beyond me. You want things changed? Change the council, it's up to us.
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My point is as I have said before there is no joined up thinking - people may complain about too many Tesco's etc but they also complain about traffic and as such all these 1000's of apartments in the town centre (which are small and so have little storage space in them) will be inhabited by people who need to eat and to purchase said food. Nobody can afford to eat out 7 days a week if they are paying these kind of rents, even less so if they are meant to be saving for a deposit.
By not planning for the needs of the inhabitants you will create housing complexes that can soon become undesirable, when this happens it can become a vicious cycle. The fact this development is also so architecturally dull and in a less than top notch area means that if it starts to sink it may just go the whole way down. Obviously not something that would happen at the Coopers site which is closer to the station and walking distance of Kings Meadow Tesco etc.
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Again, there are plenty of grocery shops in the neighbourhood. Mostly independent, but they still count. Some are quite large. Further "chain" supermarkets may move in. Lidl is walking distance. Tescos (old hospital site) only a bit further.

Also, things are changing in the sphere of property ownership. We're seeing a generation of people develop which may never own a property, and rent for their entire lives (or until they inherit, in the case of the more fortunate). large numbers don't bother to save for deposits, so they do eat out more.

It's all well and good disapproving of this development, but as I said the only real place to change things is at the ballot box.

RB, what would you like to see done differently at this development to address the concerns you have? More retail space?
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It is not this development on it's own which is far better than what is there - it is the fact they are all looked at individually not as a whole. As things are currently, people in that block, could walk to the older Friar St sainsbury's (which is also packed almost all day) but that is according to the liked Getreading article also about to become flats.
It is no good developers just saying the bottom floor of their development will have space for a shop etc. Especially when they are skimping on the affordable element they should be bound by an overarching development plan for the area to ensure there are sufficient amenities for the residents of what they are building.
Without a development structure and framework this rush to just turn everything into small pokey flats could (will) lead us to some serious problems 10-15 years down the line.

As I said this is not about any 1 of these developments on it's own it is the seeming lack of a coherent strategy for housing & amenities (including schools, swimming, play areas etc) in the town centre area
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OK, fair enough. It is hard though to be "joined up" about developments when most land is privately owned, and the planning system never know what's going to be coming up and when. If they started refusing stuff on the grounds that neighbouring land owners weren't planning anything, nothing would ever get built.

I'm not saying RBC can be absolved, or that they're always right. But it is a difficult job, and on current evidence perhaps the political parties which have run Reading for the last few decades aren't up to the job. The electorate don't seem willing to change that. Until we start changing our thinking, RBC is unlikely to.
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I just think they should put in place some objective measures that any new development could be scored against with a minimum score required before it was signed off - But i guess that needs to come from central govt
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I see on GetReading on the story about Sainsbury's going many others are expressing exactly my thoughts on the matter
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Bannock wrote: 13 Nov 2017 14:50 It is hard though to be "joined up" about developments when most land is privately owned, and the planning system never know what's going to be coming up and when. If they started refusing stuff on the grounds that neighbouring land owners weren't planning anything, nothing would ever get built.
As far as I know planning law doesn't allow planners to consider what might happen in the future beyond the obvious Local Plans. After that every planning application has to be considered individually in context of the current built environment and plans already submitted. If an application ended up being refused on grounds of putative development an appeal would almost certainly be successful.
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Of course that leads to this strange situation where a strip club has just been granted permission to opened opposite sainsbury's as it is not a residential area - does this now affect thew sainsbury's application or because it has yet to open will the application for sainsbury's to become flats not need to take into account the strip club opposite open until 3am ?
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ReadingBiker wrote: 06 Dec 2017 09:14 Of course that leads to this strange situation where a strip club has just been granted permission to opened opposite sainsbury's as it is not a residential area - does this now affect the sainsbury's application or because it has yet to open will the application for sainsbury's to become flats not need to take into account the strip club opposite open until 3am ?
It appears from the council's decision that they don't really care about this. This may seem perverse, but from their point of view that's the developer's problem to address. "Sure, you can build the flats opposite a strip club if you like. This might affect their desirability but it's not for us to comment. Over to you..." Some of the new occupants might be less sanguine about their neighbours, but they were of course there first.
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Plans have been approved.
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That’s two large developments starting soon with the Home Base site as well. Good to see!
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